Curse

Link4009 · Nov 01, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Just because 3 skills were nerfed doesn't mean its the end of the world, sure 55 is harmed, same with 2 man uw farming, but its not dead!
Think for once man, get off ur butt and invent new builds there is over 300 new skills!

Dougal Kronik · Nov 01, 2006, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Try playing the game the way it was meant to be played.

And if you still want to solo or duo farm, adapt and learn what skills and/or build could effectively do that.

Xenex Xclame · Nov 01, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28

It is obvious from your post and your examples of skills that you are just mad that you ( you,not everyone) cant farm as easily or at all anymore in the places you used to.

Like has been said people make farming build>nerf>faming builds>nerf it is and will always be an ongoing neverending cycle.

What is the fun and learning in just standing there as a caster and letting the tank take the heat while you wave your wand around and see the monsters kill themselfs like idiots.
I play monk and an ele as casters a lott, i also experience this and i get mad and run like hell but i still like it.

If you had spitefull spirit on you , you WOULD stop attacking, if an ele was to use MS you would run out of it , same with any AOE you would try to get away from it to stay alive , would you not?!
The AI is now trying to do the same things humans do and its all for the good.

There are some bugs in the new update or simply things that have to be tweaked and im sure Anet knows about it and are seeing what and how they should change this to correct it.

(Example ,something that happend to me, a group of 4 enemies was suppose to attack this npc as soon as I ctrl spaced they ran and never stopped running.After waiting a few minutes for them to come back, they didnt, I went to go look for them and they were still trying to run, but had ran into a wall.)

People are complaining about this update as they were with most updates , the UI one is a recent example i think a high percentage of people complained (me being one of them) about it, but now they have adpated to it and you dont hear anyone complain anymore, cause it wasnt a update that would kill you.

All , every single one of the skills have a use no matter what someone says, its the build or sutation that makes it be the most useless skill or the best skill in the game at that moment

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Originally Posted by X X X X X X X

But i know it hasnt just affected me in my farming time, i no longer can find myself a spot in alot of missions because Necromancers (other than BiP and MM) have become an unwanted class due to their lack of effectiveness)

Dont you LIE! please dont , give your point and suggestion just dont lie to make it more dramatic.

Nobody has been playing mission except those in elona and even there almost everyone has made a group with heros+henchies or friend.
So of course you havent been able to get a group cause nobody has been making one.
About MM and BiP its simply because people know these work and are afraid of trying something new cause they dont know how effective it can be.
The same thing could be said about smite monks in PVE .
If i was to go smite and get in groups and say i was smite i would get kicked out of almost all of them because people want a healer or protector.

After all this remember a simple thing, they are still AI they can not think of new things by themselfs.If you use a skill and you get reaction A then probably when you use that same skill again against the same mob you will get reaction A again, unless Anet has given them a option out of reactions A ,B and C but the still have a number of options ,unlike humans, that can think on their feet

omg that was a long post, sorry for the long post -_- ill go jump of a building now.

Alotia Slipfeet · Nov 01, 2006, 05:35 PM // 17:35

what those three skills were nerfed? I was just looking at them to unlock them for pvp because unlike pve anet seems to have nerfed human IQ and now I keep running into really really stupid people who does not realize you can run away or stop attacking

As for farming being nerfed, I'll borrow a popular quote from wow forums:
L34rn 2 play Ur class n00b!

ironsavior · Nov 01, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Simpathetic/Ancestor Visage: Once again, as soon as this spell is casted, they ememy stops attacking, making the spells totally useless. Why would someone bring this spell in their skill bar, when again, it does nothing.

At the beginning of the sentence, you say that Ancestor's Visage does nothing and you later contradict yourself by saying it makes the enemy stop attacking. Then you you ask why would someone bring that skill--perhaps you should bring it because it makes the enemy stop attacking?

You probably discredited yourself to Arena Net when you make such blatant self-contradictions near the start of your letter.

kaya · Nov 01, 2006, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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Originally Posted by Billiard

Monster AI is just acting more intelligently now. If you want to use AoE then you have to do what we do in PvP - snare/KD the groups so they cannot run out of the AoE. Not too complicated but it does require some addition thinking on the part of the player . . .

QFT! just because the AI actually have brains and have figured out that it hurts to stand under a firestorm, doesnt ruin a game. It adds an extra level of difficulty, which 90% of the worlds gamers love. This game was never intended to be solo'd.... hence the name.

DarkCloudInc · Nov 01, 2006, 09:18 PM // 21:18

With all due respect, why do people assume the moment someone bemoans such a change they are immediately called a noob?

By all means, when someone bemoans such a change, why do people say, play the game the way it is meant to be played when they are doing such? Its not like they are breaking the game or hacking it in such a way its not playing the game the way it is meant to be.

Omega X · Nov 01, 2006, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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This is getting ridiculous.

NinjaKai · Nov 01, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by X X X X X X X

Simpathetic/Ancestor Visage: Once again, as soon as this spell is casted, they ememy stops attacking, making the spells totally useless. Why would someone bring this spell in their skill bar, when again, it does nothing.

Speaking from a mesmers point of view. You just use this skill for farming. If you used this skill on quests and missions where plenty of strong warrior monsters are you'd realise this skill is actually favorable for warrior/paragon shutdown.

Lilaznboi2011 · Nov 01, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

/signed i also had a lot of homework and family members to look after

dbunder · Nov 02, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

I, for one, think having to relearn your tried-and-tested character once in a while is fun. ANet hasn't made anybody more ineffective, they've just made a few have to rethink their builds and playstyle. If you rely on only one build for your character(s), what fun is that? None.

dmndidjit · Nov 02, 2006, 12:04 AM // 00:04

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Originally Posted by Skuld

Does no-one say go play WoW any more? ;(

Does one realize if I wanted to chase fleeing monsters into other groups I would be playing WoW?

How exactly is tacking on a bunch of skill specific reactions making the AI smarter? Yeah, sure SoJ was ridiculous when they would just pummel themselves to death against it. But if the AI was actually even half-way "intelligent" with all the built in advantages beasties have, such as extra levels and near instant reaction times, then not even War Machine would stand a chance against it. The conspiracy theorist in me just thinks this is a way to promote heroes, who have the same built in insta-react timing and nerf a couple old skills. Anyone checked yet to see how many Nightfall AoE skills don't trigger a Brave Sir Robbin?

anonymous · Nov 02, 2006, 03:02 AM // 03:02

Casters getting agro? Ever hear of a little something called kiting? How about snares? Anti melee hexes?

Mr Jazzy · Nov 02, 2006, 03:29 AM // 03:29

OMG my favorite skill, Ether Lord, is useless in PvE!!!!!

someone change the whole engine back, please! ether lord needs to be buffed!!

not all skills are meant for pve. there are a variety of builds that don't use your suggested nerfed skills.

lyra_song · Nov 02, 2006, 05:59 AM // 05:59

/signed

Ya i think Alton Brown deserves his own talkshow now, no he's funny. Rachel Ray is still ok by me though.

*looks around*

oh wrong forum.....

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These skills are still viable as DEFENSIVE skills. -.o

Just cause you cant farm with it, doesnt mean its useless.

Sephir Demange · Nov 02, 2006, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Yeah, by this point in time it's gotta be EXCESSIVELY obvious that this is conversation is going to be brought up again and again. Another thing: if you want to be taken seriously by anyone or if you feel very strongly about a subject, take a great deal of care when you word your argument. Not to nitpick, but you misspelled alot of things, and it detracts from your argument, which is shakey already. The nerf bat will always hit Pve, and people will always work around it. Always. And if you can't figure it out yourself, that's why God gave forums a search button.

freekedoutfish · Nov 02, 2006, 08:58 AM // 08:58

So you want to undo the ENTIRE update because you dont like 2 or 3 spells?

Im finding an issure there, considering the rest of the update added a tremendious number of excellent benefits.

Im actually sick of how many threads there are about "undo the update", "take back the update", "the update sucks", blah blah blah blah.

My main is an ELE right.

Most of the complaints have been that AoE have been effected and completely ruined the game.

Now you would think that my being an ELE, I would go along with this and winge and cry with the rest of them....

....but NOOO!

IVE NOT NOTICED ANY DIFFERENCE!!!!!!

If a skill has changed, then use a different skill.

If AoE has been effected then I cant say ive noticed, so maybe your all really bad at your characters.

You cant undo the entire update and I seriously doubt their going to role-back the entire thing just for a few skill changes.

Just suck it up and change your skill-sets.

Drithlan · Nov 02, 2006, 09:32 AM // 09:32

PvP is just an advanced form of PvE if my PvP build is not going to work for PvE i scratch it If my Pve Build is not going to work in PvP i scratch that too. I play pve as if i would plat pvp it helps me kill more efficiently and faster too. people will move away from an aoe or stop hitting it its going to kill them or make them lose adren so why shouldn't monsters? Make your pveing more like pvp and you will do better. heh I'm kinda rambling time for bed night night all

Angel Netherborn · Nov 02, 2006, 10:34 AM // 10:34

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While farming has gotten more difficult, GW was not created for farming. Farming is just something players came up with to get gold faster. I think a revert just because certain farming builds got nerfed cannot be justified.

Gorebrex · Nov 02, 2006, 11:23 AM // 11:23

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Originally Posted by Drithlan

PvP is just an advanced form of PvE if my PvP build is not going to work for PvE i scratch it If my Pve Build is not going to work in PvP i scratch that too. I play pve as if i would plat pvp it helps me kill more efficiently and faster too. people will move away from an aoe or stop hitting it its going to kill them or make them lose adren so why shouldn't monsters? Make your pveing more like pvp and you will do better. heh I'm kinda rambling time for bed night night all

And how would those of us who have no interest in PvP do that?